GO. AWAY.
Hey, What's the Matter?: quigonejinn: Guys, let’s be clear here. Marvel movieverse!Steve Rogers...
Guys, let’s be clear here. Marvel movieverse!Steve Rogers does not have a problem with powerful women.
Exhibits A-U, his major fucking thing for Peggy fucking Carter. In 2012, the US still doesn’t let women into full-on combat units. Read this if you want to see the kind of grief that real, modern women get for being in charge of training dudes in, like, real, modern, so-called enlightened America.
In the movie, Peggy Carter tells big, strong, manly men that their push-ups are weak shit. She punches assholes who hit on her in work setting. She defies orders when she thinks it’s the right thing to do; she flies into enemy territory right up to the gates of an enemy installation and goes herself. She walks up to Steve Rogers in a public place and basically says, so when this war is over, we’re going to bust some bedsprings. She shoots a gun at him when she catches him smooching another lady.
You want to fight about whether she would actually have done those things in 1943/44? Sure, we can have a fight, even though I don’t really think that sociological realism was what the movie was going for, since the villain is a Nazi who pulls off his plastic skin-face to reveal a blood-red skull. You want to talk about whether it was appropriate for her to shoot at Steve for kissing another girl? I’m happy to do so. But it’s clear Peggy is meant to read as powerful and confident to a modern audience, so you gotta ask. How would she have read to a guy actually from that area?
Startling is only the beginning of it, and guys, guys, Steve is so, so, so into it. She goes on a mission she wouldn’t be allowed on today, and like, blows up a dude in front of Steve’s eyes. His response? Just watch the movie. (Hint: It’s OH GOD LET’S MAKE OUT IN FRONT OF THIS DOOR THROUGH WHICH THE ENEMY IS ESCAPING BECAUSE I AM SO HOT FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, SO HOT)
Exhibits V-Z, Steve’s total non-goddamn problem with Natasha Romanov. Does Steve Rogers ask why she wants him to boost her up onto a grav sled? Does he have any qualms about saying that her job is to stay on the ground with him during the Chitauri battle and keep the battle with them?
AUGH. AUGH.
(This rant has been brought to you by yet another shitty, shitty genderswap fic in which Steve has issues with powerful ladies, mostly for the purpose of him being mean to g!Tony, and other Avengers point out that he should not be mean to her! So he apologizes, and then, they have sex and babies and pretty pretty princess parties!)
(sinope, this is absolutely not directed at your genderswap. There is a lot of shitty genderswap out there; for some reason, I read it long after I shouldn’t. Yours is so not among them.)
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH YES. THIS. TO ADD TO THIS.
Can we also add Peggy’s very first scene, where Steve’s two reaction shots are a) UNF. and b) she just punched out that asshat ok I want to bear her children. Or the car scene on the morning of the procedure, when they bond over the frustration of not being taken seriously? Or the fact that he respects Natasha’s intelligence and instinct and abilities so much (after knowing her for such a short time) that one nod from her is enough for him to accept Clint as an Avenger when he’s been fighting against them for most of the film?
I don’t care how fucking unrealistic it is for a bloke from the 1940s to be accepting of women, or POCs, or LBGTQ people etc etc. Canonically, movieverse!Steve’s attitude to everyone is Are you oppressing the downtrodden and defenseless? No? Swell! Do you want to be in my gang? We fight Nazis :D
It’s kind of, you know, a big part of why Steve is Steve. Which is kind of, you know, a big part of why he was chosen to receive the Serum in the first place. Which is kind of, you know, the whole fucking point of First Avenger.
Don’t worry Cap, we’ll get you out.
This - just - asdfdlkfjs - SUCH A CUTE PICTURE. Lookit Coulson’s big eyes and he’s literally just plastered himself against the ice, to be as close as possible to his superhero hero AND AND
OMG. HE’S THUMBELINA AND CAP IS PRINCE CORNELIUS. EEEEE.
(Source: missmert)
Fucckkk. They’re all so badass.
#that moment he can’t believe girls are actually coming up to talk to him now #and he’s all yay omg what do i do. do i just say hi and just sign this for her? what do i say? #you’re a nice looking dame… i mean woman… no lady.. no that’s so dumb rogers shut up #omg what would bucky do… no wait i can’t do that #and then he just smiles shyly signs her paper and then awkwardly watches her walk away
Of course Tony they would use endearments at Steve each other while making sure to be as flashy as possible.
Fury: They called him Winter Soldier. Supposed to be the KGB’s secret weapon. Story went that they came him on ice and only woke him up for the big gigs. Up until today, he was just a myth.
Natasha: He’s very real. He was one of my trainers back in the red rooms.
Steve: You can’t seriously be implying that this Winter Soldier person is Bucky.
Fury: We were hoping you could tell us, you saw him last night.
(Source: pouvaires)
Okay can I talk about this for a sec? No? Tough, because I’m gonna go ahead and do it anyway. Because this little exchange was so indicative of their relationship that I wanted to die.
We already know that without the armor, Tony sees himself as nothing. “Iron Man yes, Tony Stark not recommended”, right? There’s more than a touch of bitterness when he throws that exchange back at Coulson in his first scene. We know about his issues with his father, we know about his drinking, we know that he watched a man sacrifice his life in a cave in the Middle East so that he, Tony, could live.
Steve doesn’t. And yet almost by accident, he finds Tony’s weak spot, sticks in a knife, and twists. Steve’s trying to shame him, trying to hold Tony accountable for actions that he, as a soldier, sees as reckless and irrresponsible— he’s already furious with Tony for needling Banner, which potentially endangered the lives of everyone on the ship (He can’t know, of course, that Tony recognises something in Banner, a control on his inner demons that he can only envy; Tony knows what it’s like to have a monster inside of him that he can barely contain) and Tony’s devil-may-care attitude is the final straw. Steve sees right through Tony in a way few people do; but not deep enough, no, because if he could fathom just how deep Tony’s scars go (and if he wasn’t being influenced by Loki’s sceptre, just behind him) he wouldn’t have said those things.
Because hey, Steve is lashing out here. You saw him in the gym; all that coiled rage, the flashbacks, the way he destroyed that punching bag. Steve’s in as much pain as Tony right now. Not that anyone’s interested. They just want him to put on the suit and be glad they won the war. Tony’s comments earlier about Steve being “not of use” made their mark. Steve already feels outdated and useless. Tony represents everything Steve doesn’t understand about the new century, everything he hates; he’s an unreliable jumble of technology, ego and pop culture references Steve doesn’t understand. Oh, and Tony used to make weapons. Big weapons. How d’you think Steve felt when someone filled him in on the advances in warfare that happened while he was asleep?
And Tony? He’s having his insecurities thrown back at him by a living legend, by the man his father admired above all others; a man Howard Stark spent years digging through the ice for when he should have been caring for his son. Steve is talking, but I’m pretty sure Tony’s hearing his father.
“The only thing you fight for is yourself. You’re not the guy to make the sacrifice play.”
Half of that sentence is true. Tony does fight for himself; he fights to redeem himself every day, not because of the body count his weapons have amassed (Natasha’s not the only one with red in her ledger) but because he doesn’t see himself as worthy of anything. Of the suit, of the few friends he has, of his money, of his life. He fights every day to prove to himself that he deserves to exist. And that is why he would make the sacrifice play. In a heartbeat. If he doesn’t deserve to be here, it’s only right he die for someone who does. And Steve just told him “yeah, you’re right, you don’t deserve to be here. I know guys worth ten of you, and they’re dead, and you’re alive.”
It’s awful, really, how much these two men are capable of hurting each other.
And yet. Underneath the barbs and the anger and the hurt, this exchange shows exactly why they work so well together.
“…to lay down on the wire and let the other guy crawl over you.”
“I think I would just cut the wire.”
“Always a way out.”
That. That right there. Tony is a master at thinking on his feet, at improvisation, at taking risks that tend to pay off. He’s brilliant, but volatile. And Steve is strategic, methodical, noble almost to a fault. Tony could come up with solutions Steve would never even dream of, and vice versa; when Tony spends time hacking into SHIELD’s servers, Steve investigates on foot. They are exact opposites, in personality and skill, and that’s why they’re the unofficial leaders of the Avengers. The differences that drive them apart in this scene are what’s going to make them unstoppable later on. Because they’re not half as good at anything as when they’re doing it next to each other.
^^ All the applause. ALL OF THEM.
(Source: dancys)
#BUT I ENJOY THE PATRIOTIC ONE AND THE METAL MAN WHEN THEY MAKE JEST #LET US ALL MAKE JEST #AND FEAST
#WHO IS THIS PHIL ANTHROPIST OF WHOM YOU SPEAK #YOU DECLARED YOUR NAME TONY STARK #NOW I AM MOST CONFUSED #AM I TO SUCCUMB TO MORE OF YOUR LIES, MAN OF IRON #I ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH TROUBLE WITH LIES #HAVE YOU MET MY BROTHER #ARE YOU MAKING A MOCKERY OF MY LIFE’S PERIL #BUT I SHALL LAUGH #BECAUSE THAT HIDES THE INTENSE RAGE I AM FEELING #MJOLNIR AND YOUR PRETTY FACE WILL HAVE WORDS #WORDS OF PAIN
(Source: quellary)
even with all the cuddling they do during their downtime, the superhusbands are still superheroes! even if they do discuss dinner plans while fighting.
poor clint
LOVEE aggrieved Hawkeye
